Entrepreneur Series – Interview with David Cicurel

February 26, 2018

 

 

Interview with David Cicurel

This month we get to know David Cicurel. David is an experienced entrepreneur and CEO of Judges Scientific, an AIM-quoted group that owns an impressive portfolio of some 12 scientific instrument businesses. With a current market capitalization of around £130m, the business is often cited as one of the real success stories in growing through a well-honed M&A strategy.    Back in 2016 Bluebox advised on the sale of CoolLed to Judges Scientific.

 

  1. Prior to setting up Judges Scientific, what was your background?

I spent most of my earlier life as a company ‘doctor’ performing company turnarounds in France, Switzerland and the US. However in the last 30 years, I’ve been here in the UK where I have been doing the same and then in the last 13 years I became involved with scientific instruments, mainly buying healthy companies and growing the portfolio of Judges Scientific.

Where are you originally from?

I am originally from France, but I spend most of my time in London as I find that France is not currently the best place to do business. I have no plans to go back except for holidays and to enjoy the wine!!

 

  1. What are the three most important things you have learned in the last decade of making acquisitions?
  • Be Respectful
  • Be Trustworthy
  • Be Disciplined

 

  1. In 2003, Judges floated on AIM. What were your motivations behind this?

The original purpose of Judges was to invest in ‘public to private’ targets.  I was trying to raise a significant amount of capital for investments, but this proved very difficult. I was raising capital mostly from family, friends and private investors so I choose to invest through a small AIM listed company instead.  This was more cost effective than having a fund and it is also meant the board of directors would have some freedom and not be tied with fund regulation.

 

  1. Over 10,000 readers will see this newsletter so let’s hear about the sectors you are interested in investing in and the criteria you will apply?

We are only interested in investing in Scientific instrument manufacturers. We want them to have a strong position in their global niche and a large proportion of their sales must be export. Ideally we like them to have operating margins of  25%. If anyone has a target then please do reach out.  Bluebox will assure you that we do not bite.

 

  1. Do you look for things to complement the targets you have currently acquired or branch out into different areas?

It’s always preferable if you can acquire a business that complements your other acquisitions but it’s not our main priority. Our main concern is to buy a good company with a lot of staying power and sustainable profits which we can buy at a sensible price. If the company happens to have some synergies with other portfolio businesses, it adds to the plus side, but it is not usually the main motivation.

 

  1. Are you very acquisitive at the moment?

We are always very acquisitive! We have done 16 deals in 12 and a half years. 2016 was a very good year for Judges as we bought four companies within that period including one from Bluebox!

 

  1. How do you feel that an adviser adds value to the business they are selling? Is it ever worthwhile approaching a buyer directly rather than via an intermediary?

From a seller’s perspective, an intermediary should give you a knowledge of the process, access to more potential purchasers and an ability to negotiate hard as they will be one stop removed from the ultimate purchaser. A sales process, whilst a simple concept, can become complicated and you may find that the right adviser can expertly guide you through this mine field.  

As an example, I met with a company a few years ago who had produced their Information Memorandum, were marketing the business on their own and were not represented by an Intermediary. At the meeting the CEO had presented the incorrect figures to me (he had the gross profit and EBIT margin mixed up) which made the company look like a mediocre target. However, when I questioned him further, I realised his error and luckily, we ended up acquiring the company after all. If he had had an Intermediary, they would have insured that the figures were correct from the start as if I hadn’t spotted the error, it would have been very unlikely that he would have been able to attract investor purchaser based on the published figures.

 

  1. What do you think are interesting sectors that you’re not involved with?

I think that two key sectors would be a) helping older people deal with technology as the world is becoming more reliant on tech and b) helping younger people get onto the property ladder. These are two needs that are not being universally met and there must be an opportunity to address them.

 

  1. If you had the chance to start your career over again, would you do anything differently?

I had this conversation with my Son recently and I would have liked to have spent a few years in a powerful city institution. Up until very recently, I have always found it difficult to raise money for acquisitions and investments. I think if I had a history in the city, with the right contacts I would have been more educated in how to raise the desired finance when it was required.

 

Quick fire

Favorite book? The Metamorphosis about a man who turns into a beetle by Franz Kafka. It is a very short but powerful book.

Favorite film? My Fair Lady

What car do you drive? 1988 Lotus

Three things to take onto a desert island? Bible, map and a helicopter

Describe yourself in one word.  Disciplined

 

 

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